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Affordable Care Act

August 22, 2013

Dear Editor, When it comes to the Affordable Care Act of ten times referred to as “Obamacare,” why are Republican/Conservative law-makers and pundits alike virtually unreasonable and especially......

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promo61

Aug-22-13 9:32 AM

Respectfully Mr. Hord, you seem to be more versed in the details of the act than most liberal members of Congress. Universal Health care has been tried in other countries like France, Great Britain and Canada with less than grand results.

Why do conservatives continue to oppose it? Could it be that the law was passed through reconciliation as if it were no more than a minor budget item with almost exclusive support of Democrats? Could it be that the more that is learned about the law the cost is only rising? Could it be that exemptions are being passed out like Halloween candy? Could it be that the original CBO estimate included taxes being collected in advance were used to defray the cost of the program? Could it be that what was originally sold as an addition to existing insurance options is now being unveiled as the path to a single payer system?

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ruzgirl

Aug-22-13 1:56 PM

For fear of sounding uneducated in this matter, I won't say too much. (Lord knows OLUHNJB and BushCrimeFamily would no doubt pounce on me haha!!) I do think I heard/read something about not receiving care in time or the proper care necessary. I also heard that if one does not sign up for coverage under the new law, a penalty is imposed. Isn't that unconstitutional? Like I said, I don't know as much as others or as much as I should...I can't remember exactly where I heard the former point, but the latter was in talking with a friend who recently had issue at her doctor's office...maybe promo61 knows what I'm talking about seeing as how he/she brought up very valid points in rebuttal of Mr. Hord's letter. The little I have read and know about Obamacare, though, makes me very apprehensive and I can't agree with any of it. If that makes me a crazy conservative, so be it!

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Ohiodem

Aug-22-13 2:42 PM

Mr. Hord you are exactly right. Obamacare was actually an alternative plan created by the Heritage Foundation (a conservative think tank funded by none other than the Koch brothers. What scares the Republicans is when people figure out the Republicans have been lying about the benifits from Obamacare they will like it. The Republicans opposed Social Security and Medicare from the get go and it turns out they are the two most popular programs ever enacted. The Republicans backed the tobacco industry. The Republicans opposed the environmental laws. The Republicans oppose civil rights legislation. The Republicans have opposed nearly every change over the years and history has proven them wrong on all. Obamacare is Romneycare their own plan!

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Ohiodem

Aug-22-13 3:09 PM

You Republicans, just what do you oppose in Obamacare? Closing the donut hole for prescription drugs for seniors? Being able to carry your children on insurance to 26? Insurance companies not dropping you when you get sick? Preventing insurance companies from denying you if you have a pre-exsisting illness? Requiring insurance companies to spend 80% of their premiums on actual healthcare instead of bloated saleries for CEOs? Free health screaning tests for women and seniors? Forcing insurance companies to compete in the free market? How can you oppose any of those?

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uglyassmf

Aug-22-13 3:42 PM

I spent an hour and a half with a gentlemen from Canada a couple of weeks ago. we talked about dual citizenship, immigration etc. I couldn't help but bring up the health care issue. He said he would love to be a citizen here but would never drop his Canadian citizenship and he simply can't believe all the negativity about health care here in the USA. He was 40 years old and had been sick before and also had broken bones. He explained that the waiting part has to do with the serious of your injury or illness citing that persons who need the care most go first. for instance if you have broken arm and you go into an emergency room,you are waiting your turn, a person who has come in after you is losing blood. They take the person with the more serious first. also if your waiting for a minor surgery and a person with cancer that is advancing rapidly ends up on the same list as you they move in front of you because they are in greater need. He has no problem with that. Would you?

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uglyassmf

Aug-22-13 3:59 PM

He also said that he did in fact wait in an emergency room for 90 minutes before they took him to fix a broken arm. A couple of people who came in after him went before him. He waited was bumped from a 2 week to 4 weeks for a surgery that was non life threatening. It is true that wealthy people will sometimes come here or a pay a private doctor out of pocket in Canada because they don't want to wait. He said that most Canadians view the situation down here as being greed and corporate controlled. Obamacare may be not perfect but I say it's a start and lets work together to fix it as we go instead of all this fighting. the man was elected to a second term for a reason. Work together GOP instead of continuing this ignorant stubbornness.

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Thoughtful

Aug-22-13 5:20 PM

Mr. Hord, this legislation is Ill conceived, costly, over bearing in complexity, and already disliked by a majority of Americans. WAke up , please and turn off your Democrat radio station and think for yourself !!!!!!!!!!!

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oluhjnb

Aug-22-13 5:21 PM

Ruzgirl I have no problem with you. If you want to be a conservative that's fine, at least you are civil and polite in your comments. Which is more than I can say for many others.

Note that promo61 uses the question mark seven times in his comments. Like most Republicans he has nothing to replace The Affordable Care Act. He just offers criticism.

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BushCrimeFamily

Aug-22-13 6:29 PM

We can only hope that one day the USA will join most of the rest of the industrialized world and adopt a single-payer system.

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Thoughtful

Aug-22-13 6:34 PM

ACA,

why exemptions from the administration. Why are unions now wanting exemptions? those who like this choose to follow and do not want to self determine the type of coverage they want.

single payer concept is laughable!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Thoughtful

Aug-22-13 6:47 PM

Urgent Request,

It is imperative that Senator Harry Reid, Congresswoman Nancy Pelosi, Congressman Henry Waxman, VP Joe Biden, and President Obama ALL campaign aggressively in all Senate races and Congressional races in 2014. We want them to clearly Articulate their positions and speak out freely and openly. They must put their arms around their local candidates and the local candidates must embrace them strongly. This is certainly a select group and the leadership of the Democrat Party. I would even fund some travel cost for this political campaigning. Anyone want to chip in too...............

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uglyassmf

Aug-22-13 6:50 PM

First of all back this whole thing up. The problem with the current system is greed. the health insurance industry simply needs to be regulated like a public utility and adding a few employees to PUCO and handing them the oversight would be a cheap solution. Fair rates for fair services not money for nothing anymore. we all know they aren't going to do it on their own. Severely prosecute health care providers for overcharging and putting people procedure that they don't need. This would fix the system but not one Republican currently in the house and senate would vote to regulate their friends and lobbyist associated with the health care industry. that is why we have this mess. It needs fixed. No way should government employees have been exempt from obamacare. Give them the same thing we have and watch how fast it gets fixed.

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promo61

Aug-23-13 11:57 AM

And the "greed" banner is raised again! It was just a matter of time...

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turley

Aug-23-13 1:57 PM

"obama care" is somewhat of an oxymoron.....since he cares about nobody but himself.

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uglyassmf

Aug-23-13 5:15 PM

Revenues Profits Rank Company Fortune 500 rank $ millions % change from 2010 $ millions % change from 2010 1 UnitedHealth Group 22 101,862.0 8.2 5,142.0 11.0 2 WellPoint 45 60,710.7 3.2 2,646.7 -8.3 3 Humana 79 36,832.0 8.8 1,419.0 29.1 4 Aetna 89 33,779.8 -1.4 1,985.7 12.4 5 Cigna 130 21,998.0 3.5 1,327.0 -1.3 6 Coventry Health Care 219 12,186.7 5.2 543.1 23.8 7 Health Net 221 11,901.0 -12.6 72.1 -64.7 8 Amerigroup 385 6,318.4 8.8 195.6 -28.4 9 WellCare Health Plans 401 6,106.9 12.3 264.2 N.A. 10 Centene 453 5,340.6 19.5 111.2 17.3 11 Molina Healthcare 500 4,769.9 16.7 20.8 -62.1

Issue date: May 21, 2012

if this isn't greed tell me what it is? and they feel a need to raise their rates and want to reduce services.

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promo61

Aug-23-13 6:23 PM

Return on shareholder value.

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uglyassmf

Aug-23-13 7:40 PM

Hard to read..didn't post right...anthem was not listed.. the best performer was united Health Group revenue in millions: 101,862.08.2 net profit in millions: 5,142. That's a lot of money and they see a need to raise rates? That is true greed. The very worse performer was Molina Revenue in millions: 4,769.9 Net profit in millions 20.8.

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turley

Aug-24-13 10:28 AM

The "Affordable Care Act" simply isnt looking very affordable now, is it?....why, its almost as if Oblunder is lying.....is that possible?...LOL

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Ohiodem

Aug-24-13 12:35 PM

I have read 18 comments here and haven't seen one alternative proposal to replace Obamacare. Haven't seen one person say they were opposed to having your children covered to 26. Haven't seen anyone that is in favor of you being dropped when you get sick. Haven't seen anyone opposed to forcing insurance companies to spend at least 80% on health care instead of CEO bloated CEO pay. Haven't seen anyone opposed to closing the donut whole for seniors on Medicare. Haven't seen anyone that thinks you should be denied heath insurance for pre-existing illness. Now come are you opposed to Obamacare or just Obama? hmmmm

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Ohiodem

Aug-24-13 12:42 PM

I have also been told the same as uglyassmf was about the Canadian system. Talked to a person myself that was a duel citizen of the USA and Canada. He goes to Canada for his health care, he had an operation for gull blader and a hernia and paid absolutly nothing. Both of them also said the people that complain about a wait are the ones with money that think they should go in front of everyone else.

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Ohiodem

Aug-24-13 12:42 PM

I have also been told the same as uglyassmf was about the Canadian system. Talked to a person myself that was a duel citizen of the USA and Canada. He goes to Canada for his health care, he had an operation for gull blader and a hernia and paid absolutly nothing. Both of them also said the people that complain about a wait are the ones with money that think they should go in front of everyone else.

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promo61

Aug-24-13 1:15 PM

Saying something over and over again doesn't make it true. Talking to one person in Canada is hardly basis to judge their healthcare system or anything else for that matter. As for Heathcare industry profit margins, saying they are greedy is just small-minded I'm sorry to say. How many of those companies listed are run by Obama donors, hmm? Are you sure you're not wetting your own nest? I am NOT for keeping my children covered until they are 26. I say let them fend for themselves like many of us did. Demonizing conservatives serves a useful purpose I realize, but sooner or later the law is going to have stand on its own. It may go into effect in part but I'm betting it will collapse under its own weight in time. Similar to Prohibition, enforcement will be a problem. Remember the political pendulum will swing the other way in time, so some may have menu full of their own words to dine on.

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uglyassmf

Aug-24-13 3:19 PM

I just don't see why they simply do not regulate the health insurance industry. I know why but I just can't grasp that. Public utilities are regulated because they are services that people absolutely have to have and it is criminal to over charge then or price the services out of reach for the average consumer. Health insurance is most certainly something we all need our lawmakers who are supposed to protect us for some reason want this to be out of reach for many hard working American families. With hundreds of billions in clear profits per year i don't see what is wrong with a regulation. do you realize that if you forced them cut their rates in half they will still be making astronomical profits. It isn't going to hurt them or change their life style on bit. Most of us do not want anything for free. Just fair services for a fair price. What these insurance companies are doing is flat out extortion. It should be illegal but as long as our leaders are on the take nothing will change

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promo61

Aug-24-13 6:10 PM

perhaps an introspective analysis of where your beef really lies is called for. Lucky for you I'm willing to help ;) Is it really all gross profit you have a problem with or just a certain amount in certain industries? Let's examine a coupe sectors ferret out what really grinds your gears. What about drug companies? That's a favorite liberal poster child/whipping boy. If Company A invests a couple billion in research and testing for a drug they know has market value, and thereby makes a couple hundred million in profit, is that extortion (or greed as libs love to say)? Example number two: How about an NFL team? I am so far unaware of a national discussion of their greed, yet they pay millions to athletes and reap yet more millions in profit. Are the players greedy? The owners?

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promo61

Aug-24-13 6:10 PM

Lastly, I've used this example before but it bears repeating; your neighbor runs a small ice cream store during the summer. He/She makes a 60% profit after expenses in three months totaling let's assume $24,000. Is that person, who is your neighbor, a greedy person?

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